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Building Layer-2s with Erick De Moura, CEO of Cartesi - Ep. 68 Podcast Notes

4.0 | by Lau Jun Sheng


Ep.68 Podcast Summary / Notes

Web3 and Developers 

  • Blockchain technology will disrupt the world in many ways 

  • Web3 is a way for developers to recover agency and realize their dreams

    • Builders and coders are heavily underrated in the space 

    • Cartesi looks to empower and give developers the tools they need to realize their dreams. 

 

How does Cartesi compare to other chains? 

  • Cartesi is not just about language support 

    • Supporting developers with everything built on Linux

    • Bring all the open source stacks that are available to smart contract developers 

    • Host of libraries behind Linux

    • Express powerful and sophisticated smart contracts and dApps 

    • No need to reinvent the wheel 

  • Other blockchains support other languages like Rust 

    • Only have very basic features of the language 

    • Don’t have access to components and features outside of native language 

  • Objective:  To reduce a lot of entry barriers for a non-crypto developer 

    • Master Solidity, understand a new language, etc. 

 

Thoughts on Polygon and Solana’s phone integration 

  • Cartesi currently focuses on the backend and smart contract platform

    • Remove the barrier for developers to create applications 

    • Make it easier and more efficient for developers to create web3 applications

    • Not focusing on the front end at the moment 

 

Thoughts on the recent ZK-proof trend 

  • ZK is like magic

    • Erick recently wrote a Twitter thread about ZK

  • ZK-rollups is the best solution for a range of dApps 

    • Particularly for the dApps similar to the DeFi apps of today 

    • DeFi implements very simplistic smart contracts

    • Better security and efficient for validation than optimistic rollups 

  • Developers have to be economical in the way they use computational resources due to the cost of gas and resources

  • Cartesi doesn’t implement ZK-rollups 

    • Impossible to run a Linux Virtual Machine on a ZK-rollup L2 due to technical reasons 

  • Sorting Arrays in ZK-Rollups

    • Limited to very small memory ranges

    • Smart contracts on EVM model are very limited by memory and data constraints

    • Unable to deal with large amounts of data and memory spaces of Operating Systems 

 

Are there too many L2s?

  • Liquidity fragmentation 

    • More chains than what the community needs?

  • Multi-chain has huge technical issues and security risks from transferring assets through bridges 

    • Very hard to make a secure, interoperable bridge across L1s 

    • However, bridges across other L2s of the same base layer are very secure

    • Due to the inheritance of strong security of the base layer (ETH)

    • Bridges across L2s of the same L1 could be a solution to liquidity fragmentation

 

Where do you see the future of L2s?

  • Traditional OS will implement blockchain tech or blockchains adopting Cartesi’s developer-friendly approach 

  • Firmly believes the future of web3 and blockchains is embracing mainstream OS and software components 

  • Long-term vision of web3 

    • Web3 will start to onboard users just like web2 

    • Real-world uses instead of people trying to make money 

    • More sophisticated applications to bring user base and value 

 

Is there a timeline for the testnet 

  • Tricky to work with a timeline in Crypto 

    • E.g. Ethereum delays 

    • Largely due to the complexity of the research required

  • Cartesi moved away from a deadline approach to focus on 

    • High frequency and transparent updates for the community to try things out 

    • Reports and codes were released for the community to see the progress

  • Currently very close to a testnet-ready version 

 

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Jun Sheng is a research intern and is an avid gamer, degen, memer, sleeper. Follow the author on Twitter @jnshngl

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